I ordered my regular shoe size- an 8, but this looked more like a size 6. Otherwise product looked as described. Heres what you want to know. Maybe it?s my high arches or maybe the lip that keeps your foot from slipping around just hit in the wrong spot. Its going to take dozens of attempts. The original Targhee was very good, and after they were worn out, I bought a pair of the then-new Targhee IIs. What caught me by surprise was the actual ear cups, they appeared to be shallow and I worried about it being too small or uncomfortably tight, however to my pleasure they were soft and deep enough for my ears to sit comfortably within! I bought size 8 but it was small. I am a teacher and used it for instructional videos and my online meetings. Love the pattern of this shoe.