I?ve purchased the shoes from REI in the past and did not think they made it anymore because the other one I bought had a high side on it this has low sides so it does not scrape your ankle. The product is 100% what I was looking for. So, we purchased and downloaded a program the deletes duplicates from our pc hard disk directories. It is exactly what i was looking for. Boy oh boy. Ive tried these for a bit now and the sock is a bit larger than similar ones Ive previously bought elsewhere which leads to a little slip while running and a struggle to not get it to bunch slightly. THANK YOU MVE, you did not disappointment me. This results in some odd mounting configurations. Right now I switch between the RVU and the Vaxee Zygen NP 01 fo Valorant (which I play the most) with the mini as my fast mouse for Apex and games like that. Really like these shoes, finding them handy to wear around the house or popping out to the garden.