I had my doubts because they dont have memory foam insoles, but I gave them a chance and Im glad I did. My feet were so incredibly sore at the end of that day that I could hardly walk. Doesnt bother me but I can see where this could lead to some returns. And these robes fit the bill. We are using them to connect to Zoom which downgrades the quality a bit. I finally figured out that two would fit on one side of the roof rack while the other two would fit on the other. The box on the 11s opened like a briefcase which made it easy to see all the parts in plain view. It holds it very tightly but is very easy to put in and take out. Fast forward to his birthday, we were out at the deer lease camping for some quality family time. They sound muddy, they lack clarity, they overall just sound bad.