Ps4 pro user here. I actually double checked the sized to see if they were really a 12. After reading the reviews , I went up 1/2 a size. I like using dumbbells, bars, bands and cables and now I can. I will update the review when the new one arrives. And it doesnt mess up my hair. The material feels more like plastic than the soft rubbery material of the last pair. They last forever but if someone steals them or ?loses them in the move? you?ll definitely want to buy another pair. I got this as a replacement for a Huion tablet cable which had stopped working. Will have to go back to Bose OEM pads.