they definitely want to move around without. The size 8 was out of stock. They sound great for the price decent bass good separation and loud enough. The positive here is there is nothing to negatively alter the impressive sound signature. 5) Put the buds back in the case for at least 10 seconds. So be sure to check your purchase to make sure it works for you before the return window closes. The app for eq is great. The author justifies every decision and action, this belabor the story and interrupts the flow of this book. I?m a total sucker for anything soft, cozy and comfortable! They can easily fold them up and put them in their backpacks.