These boards though. The grip is great for when youre climbing boulders. Pleased with the quality. Why tight, so much so that I could barely slide them on. Also, Im 55, 155, size 30 waist and ordered the medium. My use for these is primarily monitors for audio editing. Wirklich sehr gute Qualität. Da der Libratone preislich fast gleich liegt, kleiner und leichter ist, das besser ANC hat und vor allem linearer und detailreicher klingt, habe ich mich für den Q Adapt OnEar entschieden. They are more a clothing item than a shoe so washing should work, but who knows how the material will react. Ive had these headphones for a few months now and completely love the sound quality of these - I was really suprised, theyre excellent for the price.