Im sure that will leave room for debate because my s10+ camera went on vaca. As minuscule as it is, the packaging was surprisingly very well done considering the price. May have to order other colors for these! Ive learned to be very gentle in my approach. I own several pairs of Keens because I love the arch support I get with them. That being said, I have had some luck de-noising it, but it requires HEEEEAAAVVY denoising, and Im rather concerned the problem is only going to get worse with time. Yes, it does work, but its cheap and of low quality so if you use the hoist frequently you will be replacing the rope sooner than you might expect. I have worn these Athens Crocs for years and I thought that they had been discontinued. I have even cut the top open on a couple of pairs of the sneakers to keep my toe from hitting the top of the shoe, but then the integrity of the shoe is compromised, and I do not walk correctly. These came in very handy and at a good price.